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| andy buck | hm, maybe i do need to start climbing |
| steve block | this is in colorado springs, at garden of the gods. you need a permit from the city to climb here but i don't know what it takes to get one |
| steve block | the advantage of climbing here is that hundreds of people will see you and think you are cool |
| H | Andy, there's always the Gunks... |
| c. alexander leigh | While I haven't climbed here, the word when I drove buy from climbing in the san juans was that you just have to go through the technical orientation (like rainier) to get the permit |